If you hammer the business owners enough, they will stop looking for illegals and start looking for locals who are willing to work.

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All that is needed is for the enforcement arm of the government to make the fines large enough to take the profit out of hiring illegals. If you do that the problem will disappear.

or so after 9/11, we would have avoided the huge dissatisfaction from rank and file, independents and Reagan democrats who are concerned with illegal immigration and border security and perhaps we would have hung on to at least one house of congress.

But instead, this was a case where Republicans acted exactly the way the democrats often describe them. They bowed to the desires of business, the Wall Street Journal, and the Chamber of Commerce for cheap labor.

And to anyone, Pejman or anyone else who doesn't think that it has had a depressive effect on the wages of low income Americans, I just have one question, Have the laws of supply and demand been magically repealed?

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Make the justifiable fear be that businesses who knowingly hire IA, will be punished so severely that they will be out of business.

As long as it is worthwhile for business to take the risk of being caught, the lawbreaking continues.

Make the risk / reward heavily weighted such that the business finds it not worth taking the risk.

I agree that some businesses will be smart enough to avoid fines. I want businesses to think about the survival of their concern.

Menlo,

You might not like it, but even criminals and illegal aliens have rights when caught.

In this case I'd guess some caught refused to go along with the offered bargain on the advice of council and are taking their chances with a full trial. You see, one group of dedicated open border lawyers can make a real mess of things.

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The problem is not whether they have rights but what rights. Criminals who are citizens have more rights under the Constitution. The extras given to them by various statutes or judge-worshipping law enforcement were and are, in my opinion, bad ideas.

It's insane to let people who are here illegally (and committed crimes after they got here to boot) stay here freely!

may have carried not only the two year sentence, but may also have required automatic deportation. That can happen on "moral turpitude" crimes like lying, cheating, or stealing and fraudulent documentation may have qualified.

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Pistons would have been 9th seed in the West baby! Celtics would have been 5th seed.

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Regular Season

So riddle me this, Batman. For the REAL season, who looks tougher?

Boston (66-16) :
4-3 series win over Atlanta (37-45)
4-3 series win over Cleveland (45-37)

LA Lakers (57-25) :
4-0 series win over Denver (50-32)
4-2 series win over Utah (54-28)

San Antonio (56-26) :
4-1 series win over Phoenix (55-27)
4-3 series win over New Orleans (56-26)

Do I EVEN have to ask the question?

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FOr the better part of 2 decades (since the Showtime Lakers) I have listened to people talk about how superior the West was in comparison to the East.

I believe the East has won more championships. New Orleans, Phoenix, and Denver are all examples of teams that go soft in the playoffs. Beating soft teams does not establish playoff-credibility. Having a history of winning playoff games and advancing far into the playoffs is the only way to do it.

I agree that Boston must prove itself. LA, SA, and Detroit have all been there before, although this LA team is larely composed of newbies.

Prediction: SA vs. Detroit

I like everything you said in the text, but I disagree with your subject line. If we talk ONLY about this year, or the last 5-7 years, it's pretty much the West bringing anywhere from 3-6 Tier-1 teams EVERY YEAR, and the East bringing 1 or 2, occasionally 3.

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more than once in the past 10 years?

How many Eastern teams have made the semi-finals more than once in the past 10 years?

The West is the conference with the regular season wonders who disappoint in the playoffs. The West has been producing teams such teams since the Bad Boy Pistons nocked off the Showtime Lakers.

Boston is representative of a lot of Western teams.

I will grant that the Pistons may be old/tired, and it is possible that they have hit a wall that they cannot get over.

However, so many Western teams are lacking in playoff-credibility, how can you say that there are 6 Tier 1 teams.

The West has two Tier 1 teams--SA and LA. Nobody else has proven playoff record.

The Bad Boys knocked off Showtime when its starting backcourt got hurt, let's not forget. You don't lose Byron Scott (missed games 1 and 2) and Magic Johnson (hurt in game 2, missed 3 and 4) and win titles, sorry. But that doesn't reflect on the West, who had to face the Lake Show at full strength.

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It was Game 2 of the NBA Finals between Detroit's Bad Boys and the Los Angeles Lakers of Magic Johnson and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Magic suddenly grabbed at the back of his leg, and the usual smile vanished. He threw his arms in the air. His smile turned upside down and his body language signaled disaster.

He had a hamstring injury, and it seemed like the Lakers' chances snapped at that moment. The Pistons went on to win their first championship in a sweep.

GC,
Is it possible that a major GOP leader, indeed the leader of the national GOP noticed what happened in 2006 and figured out why?
For his recent actions, I say well done!

Perhaps if this had started earlier we would not be a minority in congress. Can we get GWB to talk some sense into Tom Cole and co.?

Regards,

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But do you see how that picture calls him a dummy? heh

thanks,

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He destroyed the movement, wrecked the party, and is finally enforcing the laws he swore to uphold after seven years.

He might not be the total caricature that the Democrats make him out to be, but there is enough truth in those attacks that it resonates with people who are not reflexive liberals.

"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle

Sorry GC, while GWB has improved a little, he's not even up to "Sucks Really Bad" on immigration.
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couple of years.

North Korea
"Palestine"
Lebanon

I like Bush a lot as a person, and will support him vigorously to "outsiders"---but within the "family" I think we need to face up to where we are and how we got here.

President Bush is an important contributing factor as to why the Republican party is now in shambles.

President Bush didn't come out of nowhere. The Republican Party membership nominated him.

The buck stops with the voters. The base needs to get in gear and get active. Less jaw jaw and more war war.

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However, the President has the biggest megaphone. He, more than any individual voter, was best situated to lead.

I agree about the less jaw jaw, but it was the loyalty we felt for Bush that kept the grass roots to quiet. Thus, I felt compelled to state what I said above.

In other words, I am not saying we need to get off our buts. What I am saying is, don't try to lipstick on a pig (e.g. try and make the last couple of years better than they were).

We need to be in Harriet Meyers/Immigration Mode 24/7. Especially with McCain.

This is no time to get sentinmental re: President Bush (whom I wish only the best for, and think is a very decent human being).

I think your advice is all wrong. Harriet Miers was a symptom of the failure of the base to be active in the fundamentals.

I just now came up with an idea though that may help with this though... :-)

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for what they have done and not done is important.

I disagree vehemently with the proposition that President Bush is just another individual and is no more accountable than other Republican leaders or even individual voters.

President Bush ran a fairly conservative campaign in 2000. Its just that he became less conservative with each passing year, and made a lot of efforts to reach across the isle that proved fruitless.

You are saying Harriet Miers was a symptom? How can the base be involved the fundamentals of making a nomination pick? We can't all be in the White House for the meetings and discussions. No President is going to be arm twisted into making a pick due to public pressure of one kind or another.

We do not have a direct democracy. We elect representatives to lead. Our elected representatives failed to lead, and continue to exhibit either a lack of ability or a lack of willingness to lead.

Ultimately, it is a grass roots problem, but it takes time for the feedback loops to kick in.

Bush did not at all run as a conservative in 2000. He insulted conservatives by declaring himself, and his opposition to conservatives in key areas, compassionate, modifying conservative and implying that conservatives other than Bushites aren't compassionate.

You see, that is where the base should have been more vigilant to begin with. Where were the conservatives in 2000 to oppose this man? That was a huge failure.

2008 was another huge failure for conservatives. We had one candidate, and he was horrible at it.

We need to get up and get active before trouble starts, and before it's too late to do anything but derail a nomination.

So yes, your last sentence is my point. The Republican Party has weak grass roots right now.

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and that we are disorganized. I became convinced of that when McCain won South Carolina. When the most conservative state in the union went for McCain early in a pretty much wide open primary, I realized (finally) that the "base" is in fact coming apart in spectacular fashion.

While President Bush's use of the word "compassionate" was a bit troubling, there were many (myself included) who reasonably presumed that use of the word was just a slogan to help market conservatism.

In 2000, Bush had set policy outlines that were quite conservative: No child left behind (included vouchers and strong choice provisions), campaign finance reform (5 requirements that were ultimately disgarded, McCain-Feingold violated ALL five of the requirements), prescriptionn drug benefit (supposed to include expansive HSA and other free markete solutions), etc.

Bush made too many compromises on these key issues, not to mention let spending get out of control.

People are arguing tooth and nail on this site to argue that McCain is conservative in 2008. I disagree, but am supportive of his candidacy. In contrast, Bush did campaign in 2000 as a conservative. In 2004, he campaigned as a war President, but in 2000, it was a conservative campaign.

Bush's 2000 campaign had more conservative substance in it than Reagan's 1984 substance-free "morning in America" campaign which errored in favor of getting a massive landslide without setting a defined agenda for Reagan's second term. Reagan would have been better off setting a specific domestic agenda and losing a few more states than trouncing Mondale without a specific domestic plan of action.

In summary, Bush's 2000 campaign was the third most conservative Presidential campaign in modern US history, next to '64 Goldwater and '80 Reagan.

Not saying that is an impressive ranking, just saying that it is an honest one.

Oppps...I mean Definitely.

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you two guys must drink from the same water bowl.

N-E-I-L . "I" before "E" does not apply to names, bro!

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

I hereby proclaim that EPU is now the....drumroll...

Emperor of Explication...EPU

I deem it so....carry on

Man church Royal Court....

The Porcelain God...gamecock
Earl of Nacho...Joliphant
High King of Haiku...bigator5
Baron of Bandwidth...ME to you
Sultan of Spew...jdub19
Prince of the Patently Plain, Oligarch of the Obvious...john wayne
Emir of the Indignant...prismsinc
Archduke of the ATF...kyle12
Paramount Ruler of the Big Silver Cooler....Blooch

Hey I like it! Honored, special! My old lady would say more like "Emperor of Expectoration", but who the heck asked her anyway?

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

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invented the term bully pulpit. I think President Bush is a fine man, but his lack of ability to articulate conservative principles to the masses is his greatest weakness. I hope he continues to out the appeasers for what they are as he did in Israel. He could destroy the term lame duck if he does. The libs got so used to him not saying anything that when he made his Israeli statement it was like a body slam to their whole damned Party. I'm anxiously awaiting more of the same from him.
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arrests, and employer enforcment going back even before the amnesty slap down disgaree with you. facts are stubborn things.

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Sultan of slamming the door.

blackhedd

The Feds have an answer it's called E Verify.

 It is not discriminatory for a business owner to use it, it works and it's free.

There's also a fictitious wall between the Social Security Administration and ICE that prevents "unmatched" SSN's from being reported to ICE for investigation. I'm not even sure if SS Administration sends "Please explain" letters to businesses that submit SSN's that are bad or already in use.

There are plenty of laws and tools already in place for business owners to verify the legal right of any person to work in this country, it's a canard used by some greedy businesses to not use the tools.

 

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I well know how difficult the anti-discrimination laws CAN make ID verification. That said, the worst offenders in this business do not appear to make any attempt to verify employment eligibility as a matter of everyday practice. And, a company that wants to just sets up all the right policies, does all the right training to make sure that it can defend itself and then makes it clear to managers that they will get the cheapest labor they can by whatever means. That way, when and if they get busted, some plant manager or HR type is the one who takes the fall and the company itself escapes all liability.

In Vino Veritas

It would seem to me one easy way to weed out the illegals is to require applicants be able to speak English. If they cannot (assuming they are able to speak another language), then they should not legally be able to be hired. However, that is a basic requirement that can just as easily apply to any job. It's not racism.

I wouldn't know, but I would guess most illegals don't speak English, and I would conclude without any further investigation that a worker anywhere in the country who does not speak English (assuming he or she can speak some language) was illegally hired. I see plenty of them working where I live, so it seems lots of employers don't have the sense to figure that out.

That won't help for the illegals who do speak English, but I'm guessing it would eliminate the chances of hiring an illegal by 90-95 percent.

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